Cinie

Somebody Better Call Pat And Vanna

In Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Politics on November 1, 2009 at 7:27 pm

vannaQuick!  Somebody get  Pat and Vanna on the phone, stat!  The Obamaniacs desperately need to buy a clue!

Answer:  Clueless in the White House.

Question:  What is the constant state of the Obama administration, Alex?

Alex:  You are correct.  Pick again.

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Though many of us have known all along that Barry and the Bus Drivers never had any idea what the hell they were doing, a quick perusal of the weekend news round-up proves that despite Obie’s delusion that he was actually, at least navigating his “historic” course to the Nobel Prize, if not driving his custom, tricked out, re-built, rented GM Fishbowl, and owed his current position to his own aptitude and the acumen of his pit crew, nothing could be further from the truth.  No, a careful reading of the “tidbits” contained in David Plouffe!-There-He Goes!’s upcoming tell-nothing-cuz-he-don’t-know-shit “expose” of the behind the scenes machinations of the Axelrovians, Audacity To Win, proves that whoever is responsible for the front man status of the Spokesmodel-in-Chief, it ain’t none o’ these clowns.

According to CNN, reporting on excerpts of the book now running in Time Magazine, Obombo was seriously considering nominating Hillary Clinton as vice-president, unbeknownst to Double David, both of whom were absolutely horrified about the prospect, horrified, I tellya! and thus, majorly relieved when Obie came to the conclusion, all by his lonesome, mind you, that he was too shy about exposing his potentially shriveled-looking, at least one short huevos in a political threesome with Billary to ask his Dream Girl out.

“Obama was clearly thinking more seriously about picking Hillary Clinton than Axelrod and I had realized,” Plouffe writes. “He said if his central criterion measured who could be the best VP, she had to be included in that list.”

While Obama continued to consider picking Clinton throughout the summer of 2008, he ultimately eliminated her name from the list in early August, fearing, Plouffe writes, that there “were just too many complications outweighing the potential strengths.”

“I think Bill may be too big a complication,” Plouffe quotes Obama as saying. “If I picked her, my concern is that there would be more than two of us in the relationship.”

Plouffe!Where’dHeGo? also revealed that they had no clue what to do about the “Palin Problem,” and the dust-up over “Uncle Jerry” took them totally by surprise.   The fourth wheel of the White House’s very own Rahmbo/Carville/Begala early morning phonesklatch and news pipeline, ABC’’s Georgie-boy Snuffleupagus, reveals 10 Amazing Insights to Ineptitude, leading off with this juicy turd nugget; whoever teamed Double David with Barack Whosayin’ YoMama neglected to provide an affidavit or dossier:

Plouffe writes, “ …we had done zero research on our own candidate beyond a small and incomplete package from the 2004 Senate race.  With this lapse, we were violating a central rule of politics – know more about yourself than your opponents and the media do.  Since we had not scrubbed every quote, vote, speech, and donor of Obama’s, we knew we’d be getting questions we couldn’t foresee, unless he remembered each incident and vote precisely, we’d be scrambling to mount a defense.”

You would think that political strategists of the supposed caliber of the Two Davids would have had fool sense enough to research the guy they were being paid to guide to the White House, now wouldn’t you?  The fact that they did not, and admit it, conjures up images of Deep Throat and “just following orders” to me.  Whoever was pulling these Marionettes’ strings and manipulating their Muppet arms, Plouffe!UpInSmoke’s revelations are compelling evidence of their existence, while serving as a testament to Little Davey’s determination to keep their identity on not-so-deep background.

In other “y’all really think we’re stupid” news, the Obministration released a bunch of “who really were those masked men?” names of  White House visitors who really weren’t those people, as an example of Obama Transparency response, which obviously is akin to “brown and white makes mud clear.”  Among the union bosses, bailout bankster buddies, (can you say Chicago friend, Jamie Dimon? the guy?) Hollywoodsters, string pullers, pew pimps, and feminists, the names Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright appear on White House logs.  However, all is not as it seems, apparently.  First of all, only people who were asked about on Whitehouse.gov. were talked about by anybody associated with the White House, and second, there are obviously many, many people named Bill Ayers and Rev. Jeremiah Wright with access to the Pretendident.  In fact, the most interesting question raised, in my mind, concerns whether ousted NOW president Kim Gandy’s “more than a dozen” visit infatuation with the Feminist-in-Chief might have been slightly more productive than otherwise credited.  From the Washington Post:

In mid-February, as Obama stumped for, and then signed, a stimulus bill, he met several times with labor boss Andy Stern. In about the same period, Obama met twice with Jamie Dimon, the head of JPMorgan Chase. On May 26, National Organization for Women President Kim Gandy was in the audience when Obama introduced court nominee Sonia Sotomayor.

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The list of 481 records, covering the first six months of the Obama presidency, is far from a comprehensive record of who met with the president and his top staff members. Aides said they released records for only those visitors about whom a specific request was made on the Whitehouse.gov Web site since last month.

The results are sometimes comical, as people whose names resembled the famous — and infamous — forced the West Wing to wave reporters away from the juiciest of apparent visits. Did ’60s radical William Ayers, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and filmmaker Michael Moore all visit the Obama White House, as the list indicated? Aides were quick to say: It wasn’t that Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright or Michael Moore, although more details about the identities of the real visitors were not provided.

But, yes, officials said, the Oprah on the list really is Oprah Winfrey, and one of the Serenas listed really is tennis player Serena Williams.

Ummm-hmmm…anyway, moving on.  In what amounts to a mini-revolt of sorts, Obama’s psuedo-journalistic suckophant network, MSNBO, is covering an Associated Press article claiming that the public option is a typical Obministration sham scam, and its online mag-arm, Slate is selling pot, gay marriage, and trips to Cuba because the time, having nothing to do with Obafenokee, for those things has come.  Say what?  I thought the sun shone rainbows because Obama peed outside, according to these guys.  Wha’ happun?

Obama Halloween

In other news, as the Most Happily Married Black Presentident And His Slave Descended Wife Evah did Halloween, she dressed as Eartha Kitt, he as President Around The House, the Republican party was happily shooting itself in the balls and lap dancing for joy.  While description-defying Michele Bachmann was busy channeling Michael Jackson and fronting for Americans For Prosperity trying to rally support for her/their “fuck healthcare” rally, and her galpal Sarah was being said by Glenn Beck to be positioning herself for a 3rd-party presidential run by forcing moderates out of the Republican party, delighting some, outmaneuvered left-leaning Republican candidate Dede Scozzafava was giving them all a heartfelt va fungool (?)by endorsing the Democrat in her former race.  I tell you what, if I ever make good my own imagined threat and start a Femocratic Party, Michele and Sarah are banned for life, but Dede’s in like Flynn.

story.kehoe.in.session1_Rapists_Home_Bodies.sff_300While I’m sure my dreams of founding a woman-centric political party will remain just that, one of my other fantasies is that if I was a right and proper medieval queen, these two scumsuckers would be heading off to not pass “Go” on their way to OffWithTheirHeadsVille.

And, finally, if you really want to read a juicy expose, Tim Donaghy, the Gambling Referee’s tell-more-than-you-really-wanna-know tome, Blowing The Whistle, should do the trick.  Just don’t read it, or the linked excerpts, if you’re an NBA fan and want to stay that way.  Creep.

And…the munkeyhumpin’ wheels keep doin’ what they do over all the people they usually do it over, old and new.

  1. I support the PUMA movement. Remember the reason why the corporate media hates PUMAs is because PUMAs do not drink Kool-Aid.

  2. Cinie? Just wanted to let you know, that I find you a most gracious hostess!

    Even when your guests forget their manners – or don’t have any to begin with – you still attentively engage in discussion with them, keep courteous and in short acts admirably!

    How do I admire thee? Let me count the ways … ;)

  3. No way do I believe that Obama ever considered Hillary Clinton as his vp! If it wasn’t for her diplomatic skills and her insistence on them being friendly, he would still treat her in that frat-boy-fashion he used all through the primaries! Besides, he knew she would overshadow him with her knowledge, and certainly didn’t want that to happen!

    And I’m sure she was aware that as his vp there would be no end to (the continuation of!) the jokes and rumours of her trying to kill him off!

    I might be the only one (sniff!), but I still believe that she asked for the SoS position, when she and Obama met at Dianne Feinstein’s house – and that’s why their respective lawyers were in negotiations for weeks (months?) to come!

    • I think Obie did consider Hillary, because he still thinks that what he wants matters. However, the string pullers were never going to allow such a thing, and Double David knew that.

      • Cin, don’t you think the same “string-pullers” were behind Bill? I do. I just think they didn’t like him for whatever reason (are you still researching Soros?) and didn’t want to be dealing with him again. And yes, I believe Double David knew that.

        • Sometimes it all feels like a bet between string-pullers to me, Deb. Like 2 super rich guys at the top who agree on most things, betting they’ve got more clout than the other guy.

          “You take the chick, I’ll take the black guy.”

          “Deal.”

          The “black guy’s” string puller won. In the end, though, they probably played themselves.

    • Dunno Pips, on the one hand, I can’t see his arrogant ass considering her for all the reasons you gave and, as Cin said, “because he still thinks that what he wants matters.” But I can also see him considering her, to use her – to fill the void between those big-assed ears of his! She knew she had “more knowledge and experience” to barter for that SoS position and like you, I think she used it to ask for it.

      Shit, I still think he treats her in that “frat-boy-fashion,” that’s why he gave her the SoS, IMHO – so she could take the diplomatic fall for his stutmbling and bumbling!

  4. Cinie, I’m going to be your number one cheerleader – again. You write a pithy, sardonic post, as usual, and when dissected, it’s quite brilliant (you really do need to consider publication). Then some folks come along and hold you responsible, not for the words you writem or the deeds you report on, but for the deeds you document? That is bizarre, and quite frankly, I’m not sure why you tolerate it. Perhaps I’m addled, but you are not. I love your commentary. You have a clear eye as does Deb. Don’t be put off by people who are looking to make their name or cred or whatever they call it these days by denigrating someone who might be more popular than they are. They are pathetic. You are unique.
    Of course, I’m your number ?teenth fan, so what do I know.
    Just stay true to yourself, cause that’s who we love.

    • Luvya back, HT!

      • Remember, I’m up here in Canuckistan, right outside Toronto. You have an assured place in my place. That isn’t being reckless on my part – I’ve followed you from the beginning. You have my e-mail. If you’re coming up this way, just drop me a line. Don’t expect immediate response, I am absolutely dreadful about e-mail. Cinie, you are alway welcome in my home.

    • Ditto HT – and thanx!

  5. Did ’60s radical William Ayers, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and filmmaker Michael Moore all visit the Obama White House, as the list indicated? Aides were quick to say: It wasn’t that Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright or Michael Moore, although more details about the identities of the real visitors were not provided.

    Oh hell no! I know they didn’t go there did they?

    • Red, clap your hands real hard and Tinkerbell will live (P.S. I know you know this, which makes it so much fun to tweak your sardonic gene).

      • You mean to tell me that clapping my hands “Wont” bring TinkerBell back? Jeesh…I wish I would have known that sooner Ht. I would have saved myself an awful lot of time! LOL

    • RD, as we used to say ’round da way, ain’t that nothin’?

  6. Cinie, number one, Obama is the President, he aint brad pitt.
    Number two, the Obamas approved this inside look at there so called
    perfect marriage. This isnt tabloid, it’s confirmed and done.
    You really do seem to be picking little tiny things like, uncle jerry today. What’s the point? Has that got anything to do with issues and policies that for my own two cents havent done jackshit
    for this country. and when i say country, i mean every damned body in it. Good policy helps everyone. Policy with an agenda hurts everyone. Obama has an agenda it was groomed by all the Uncle Jerry’s you are missing the damned boat.
    By the way, why havent you written about Hillary lately. She’s working hard. Write about her since you thought so highly of her.
    I think the damned dabate over Vp is just bullshit.
    Secretary of State is always a more visible position.
    But, that’s the way i see it. I dont know, but his smile aint won me over yet, and netiher has his entire administration.

    • Carol, please don’t tell me what to write or think. I made my point; agree or disagree, but don’t tell me what to do.

      And, all policy has an agenda. Again, agree with it or don’t, but pretending that Hillary isn’t a Democrat, too, who happens to report to Obama in his administration, by the way, doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.

    • Just out of curiosity, why are you still pretending to support Hillary? She’s actually firmly to the left of Republican-lite Obama: firmly pro-choice, firmly pro-LGBT, firmly pro-human rights, firmly pro-UHC, firmly pro-most things dear to liberals’ hearts. Just personally, I’d love to see her implement policy with those items on her agenda.

    • WTF carol? This is Cinie’s place and she can write about whatever she pleases. Her perspective and research have opened my eyes, made me think, and occasionally pissed me off. The VP story and all the tangled webs that have been weaved around this guy need to be out there. They all prove a pattern of manipulation and increasingly, ineptitude. I for one am greatful and interested, if you aren’t you can go somewhere else.

      Cinie, I may not comment alot but I stop and read and learn every single day. Thanks for all you do!

  7. Gary, i dont buy those polls period

  8. gary, if he minds the scrutiny on his private life so much, why do he and michelle ok all these promos about their marriage, you dont do that without their permission, are you kidding me, some people still actually believe anything that comes out of the Obama’s mouths, i find it hilarious after this long

    • Not to defend Obie, but there’s a difference between controlled media exposure and uncontrolled media scrutiny. Obie, and most celebs love the controlled photo-ops, interviews, TV appearances, etc.

      They all hate the intrusive paparazzi, scandal mongers, tabloids, and hit pieces, though they all go with the territory.

      Just sayin.’

  9. there was an article on my local news site that a recent NC poll showed that 54% want a public option as a part of health care reform Even more incredible is the fact that an equal number of people support what sounds very close to real single payer plan as oppose it:

    Yet, those surveyed were evenly split on the concept of a national insurance plan where the federal government pays most medical and hospital costs for all citizens, with 47 percent saying the support the idea and 47 percent opposed to it.

    And this is red state south we’re talking about. So why are the crazies like Beck and Bachman even a part of this conversation, and why isn’t the Democratic party fighting for what millions of Americans are longing for? Why do the Dems still act like they’re playing defense? ugh….

  10. Sorry, Deb, Pips. If I’m coming off as combative, I apologize.

  11. What an ass. That video about the Obama marriage makes me want to vomit. He says that his biggest annoyance is the scrutiny of his private life, yet he doesn’t mind denying gays and lesbians the right to marry based on his bigoted religous beliefs. I’ll give a damn about his marriage as soon as I can have one too.

  12. I say they are all great aquaintances with the same things in mind.
    JOhn McCain sure wasnt damned friends with Sarah Palin.
    All this, how close were they and all the bull crap is irrelevant.
    They are in the damned white house, LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
    This is all hindsight, just like obama keeps preaching, i inherited this, hell you didnt inherit shit, you worked hard to inherit that mess. So, here we are and to tell you the truth, i would pray i would wake up tomorrow and it would all be solved, but
    that just aint gonna happen no matter who or what.
    There are millions of people involved in this country not just Obama and the two davids.

  13. Hell, in this country, if having a campaign party at William Ayers’s house dont hurt your odds, Rev Wright aint even in the ball park.

  14. I don’t know much about the previous relationship between Obama and Axelrove, but when Obama went to Buchenwald, I had the opportunity to observe him greeting people arriving by helicopter. This was filmed from afar so no one was aware of being “on”.

    First out was Rahm, the two men hardly acknowledging each other. Then Obama greeted Eli Wiesel and send him off in direction of the Hummer. Next out a tall man, whom Obama ignored and then … Axelrod tumbled out of the helicopter, receiving a warm welcome, the two men laughing and slapping each other on the back while approaching the waiting vehicle together.

    It looked so very much like a son greeting his beloved dad!

  15. Let me put it this way Cinie, UNCLE JERRY said it best, that’s politics. It’s weird to me that think googling they had 5,000 people on staff, beleive you me they were googling.
    What is important is that you know this, when they say they didnt know what to do with Sarah Palin, well that’s when they sent the lawyers to alaska adn within a week there were lawsuits and she beat em all, but the damage had been done. She is still a huge opponent and they contiue to do their damage with her. Believe you me, at this point the sad thing is this, he could be proven to be closet muslim and not actually a natural born citizen, he aint goin anywhere they are still campaigning thus the HBO special coming out now and David Plouffe’s book, thus the counter book
    Palin gone Rouge, if you cant see the writing on the wall i dont know what to say, the koolaid is alive and well and he’s the
    first Black President and in politics i think Bill Richardson proved
    friendships dont mean a damned thing. Mccain had to disown some minister for something he said, it was a little tiny thing in comparison, I agree with Juan Williams in a piece he wrote recently
    He is NOT George Bush, Hillary would have whooped McCain too, so dont try to make it all out somehting it is not, you have no idea
    and neither do I what the fuck they all know, knew, and are about.
    We dont, but we know one thing, they love playing dirty while they smile in your face.

  16. oh yeah, and hell remember the famous line
    He’s not the man i thought i knew, he used it several times afterwards about others. He’s still surrounding by radicals
    and he’s still a radical and will always be.
    Believe you me, if you cant see his college grades
    Rev Wright dont mean shit as far as anyting they knew and to this very day are hiding. They also knew about the murder of the choir director at that church which to me would have caused pause for thought, but i guess that will remain a cold case. Poor guy.
    Look, chicago tactics in politics aint no secret.

  17. oh , hell, that’s politics, wright was merely a minister where obama went to church, it wasnt a surprise, they knew all about the rev wright, they just didnt know that that tape would come out
    it was a shocker but they knew all about rev wright’s preachings they lived right there and they knew what kind of philosopy he preached, the only tape that came out was about sept 11 and it did shock americans, but by that time hell, they had stopped the public financing were accepting money from all over the damned world. You really do underestimate the selling of souls. George Soros is worth billions he is the one that was the silent killer for Hillary and anyone else. Let me tell you this too, they knew about Edward’s affair when he came out and endorsed Obama too, but that’s politics cinie, you know it and i know it.
    The people had already been snowed didnt you see the same pics of Obama’s speech writer fondling the cardboard of Hillary, do you really think they worried about some preacher?
    All he had to do was quit the damned church, big damned deal.

    • That’s your take, but according to Plouffe, they didn’t know, and history shows they mishandled it badly. Which indicates they’re either totally incompetent, or, they really didn’t know. Quitting the church might not have been a big deal, but again, history shows Obie didn’t do it until he could trade doing so for Hillary’s Michigan delegates. If it was so insignificant all along, Double David should have been well in front of it from the beginning. All they had to do was Google Wright; that’s what the GOP did. Besides, Wright’s not exactly a shrinking violet of Chicago society; his sermons were readily available.

  18. who the hell, is uncle jerry jees

    • Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

      In a campaign appearance earlier this month, Sen. Obama said, “I don’t think my church is actually particularly controversial.” He said Rev. Wright “is like an old uncle who says things I don’t always agree with,” telling a Jewish group that everyone has someone like that in their family.

  19. Barack Obama presidential campaign
    Axelrod ties with Obama reach back more than a decade. Axelrod met Obama in 1992 when Obama so impressed Betty Lu Saltzmann, a woman from Chicago’s “lakefront liberal crowd,” during a black voter registration drive he ran that she then introduced the two. Obama also consulted Axelrod before he delivered his famed 2002 anti-war speech[14] and asked him to read drafts of his book, The Audacity of Hope
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    a little exaggerated, i think not. He is a political consultant, that is is expertise, that’s why obama is in perpetual campaign mode, Davie Axelrod is now his senior advisor who knows nothing about military strategies and neither is Rahm or David Plouffe, they are all political champions. David Plouffe is not in the white house because he’s gonna make more money on his book probably
    than he would being in a position there. Look, I congratulate them, Obama won. It worked. Never mind to this day no one can figure out where the almost billion dollar campaign funds came from. Fact is, they go a junior senator in the White House, period.

    • If they were so damned close, how could “Uncle Jerry” take them by surprise? You’d think they’d know at least that much about a relationship that pre-dates theirs, now wouldn’t you?

      • Cin, I bow to your Chi-town knowledge however, they knew about Uncle Jerry at least as far back as the announcement to run, since they made the Changeling bump his “old (read -crazy ;-) ) uncle” from giving the opening prayer in Springfield. That act was surely “shades of things to come” for Uncle Jerry – and us.

        • Deb, if they knew so much, why was Uncle Jerry on the program to be bumped in the first place? The whole run-up to that point was as carefully choreographed as everything before or since, so, why didn’t they nullify the possibility before Obie tried to bring him out front?

          • I’m not disagreeing with you Cin, that’s why I said “at least.” Maybe the Changeling told them, “Don’t worry, I got this.” – then Uncle Jerry showed him that he really didn’t have shit! :-)

  20. Cinie, I’m tired of waiting for liberal women to rise up and begin the Femocratic party. At this point I’d settle for the most rabid female boogeywomen to rise up and scare the crap out of everyone.

    See the problem is women remain divided, conservative, liberal, Dem, R’s, black women, feminists. We cannot unite on one simple concept because we’re to busy playing separate, divide, and control. See, we’re so frightened of the Bachhman’s and Palin’s of the world that we just keep ushering in the Newt’s, the Huckabees, the Obama’s, the Bush’s. Every one of them an even bigger nut case then the women we seem to hate and fear.

    In the big picture, gender matters far more then party. The Ledbetter act only passed congress because four female Republicans voted for it. The Frankin rape amendment is being supported by those same four Republican women in congress. Palin in fact has the exact same view of gay marriage as Obama and Biden. Harry Reid voted for the Defense of Marriage act and supported a bill to ban birth control. There are 30 pro-life Dems in congress who are demanding Pelosi keep abortion funding out of the health care bill. Palin appointed a pro-choice Alaska supreme court justice, Obama gave us the pro-life anti-gay Tim Kaine to head the DNC.

    When women finally plug our noses and agree to hold hands with each other the patriarchy will fall. Until that day it will be business as usual.

    • The problem is, yttik, some women are on the side of the patriarchy. That’s why Palin has the same view of gay marriage as the guys you mentioned. Aligning oneself with people who are defiantly not on your side doesn’t make a heap of a helluva whole lot of sense to me.

      • Cinie, if the civil rights movement tried to happen today it would be doomed to failure. There’s too many requirements for membership. Separate, divide, and control has been too successful. The atheists would be upset about the churches and ministers participating, the vegans would refuse to walk alongside the meat eaters, feminists would be viewed as man haters, conservatives would be viewed as handmaidens of the patriarchy, the bitter knitters would refuse to align themselves with the Obots.

        Women are half the population but after we’re finished dividing ourselves into tidy little groups, there is no longer a movement at all.

        • The things that united the Civil Rights protesters were stronger than the ones that divided them, yttik. However, the differences in philosophy did help unravel the Movement at the end, especially violent/non-violent.

    • How about the rabid pro-lifers give up something for a change? Like, how about they just leave my uterus the f*ck alone, and I’ll leave theirs alone?

      You really want pro-choice women like me to join hands with these people?

      http://personhood.net

      My issue is the ERA. They do not support it. So why would I reach out to them?

      As for your defense of Palin, it no longer holds up. She is not the governor of Alaska any more, and she no longer feels restrained to govern “from the center.”

      Her latest actions are 100% in support of the rabid pro-life movement. Take her backing of Doug Hoffman in the NY-23 election. She did not want Scozzafava because Scozzafava was too liberal: pro-same-sex-marriage and pro-choice. She torpedoed a WOMAN’s candidacy because she wanted a more conservative MAN to represent the Party.

      So, to continue to represent her as some sort of example of feminism does not hold water, IMHO.

      • Actually it was the Nat’l Women’s Party that convinced two Republican congressmen to introduce the Equal Right’s Amendment in 1920. It was the Republican party who put support for the Equal Rights Amendment on their party platform every year from 1944 until 1980. Democrats opposed it at every turn and it wasn’t until 1972 that they finally agreed to put it in their party platform. We’ve had to fight every year just to get them to mention it. We lost when John Kerry was running against Bush, because it was decided that the putting support for the ERA in the party platform wasn’t a priority.

        • What does this have to do with the Republican Party now, yttik?

          And you did not address any of my points about the pro-lifers, which exist in both parties now.

          • What points do you want me to address about pro-lifers? You have a Dem congress and a Dem president, a president who promised his first act as Prez would be to sign the Freedom of Choice Act. Go make him do it. Trying to imply that Palin who isn’t even in elected office is out banning abortion is ridiculous.

          • Does electing Palin to any office promote the ERA? Post “Southern strategy?” How?

          • Does putting a woman in office do anything to promote the ERA is kind of an ironic question. One would hope that the ERA was intended to give women equal rights, hopefully someday to participate in government in equal numbers. Instead it’s becoming an Equal Rights Amendment for liberal, pro-choice, Democratic women only.

          • There are some women who don’t really want to see that happen, yttik. They make “equality among women” noises, but seem to balk at “equality for all.” Joining hands with them is counter-productive, imho.

          • Cinie, Shirley Chisholm went and visited George Wallace in the hospital after he was shot and he went from being a segregationist to becoming one of her best allies who went on to get her the votes she needed to get minimum wage extended to domestic workers.

            Even JFK voted against civil rights as a senator. If people are going to allow themselves to be permanently divided along party lines, they’ll be no progress.

          • I think the fact that Wallace got shot was probably more significant than Chisolm’s visit, yttik. Or, put it this way, had he not gotten shot, her visit likely would have had no effect, had either of them ever considered such a thing. And, Kennedy was never really the Civil Rights Movement’s best friend, imo, and you’ve never heard me say he was. Seems to me, if the Movement leaders had had any faith in JFK, there never would have been a March on Washington, after Kennedy introduced his feeble Civil Rights Act bill. You don’t take a nation’s worth of people to cash an ally’s “bad check,” as MLK and friends did Kennedy.

          • Yttik,

            This is hilarious.

            One would hope that the ERA was intended to give women equal rights, hopefully someday to participate in government in equal numbers. Instead it’s becoming an Equal Rights Amendment for liberal, pro-choice, Democratic women only.

            And whose fault is that, pray tell?

            I would happily join hands with conservative women who are for the ERA. Wouldn’t even think twice about it.

            But whoops! Conservative women are almost all pro-life, which means they are against the ERA. Why? Because it will legalize abortion on a Constitutional Basis. That is the very last thing they want. Indeed, your beloved Sarah is against the ERA too.

            Address the question, yttik. Why should I join hands with a pro-life woman who is actively working against my signature issue, the ERA? How would that help me? Oh, that’s right. It only helps THEM if I give up my principles for some imagined form of “Unity” that goes against my interests. Hmm. Why does this strategy sound like Obama’s “kumbaya” crap to me?

            And yes, Sarah Palin is working to ban abortion by stumping for pro-lifers in all the races today. Her influence caused Dede Scozzafava, the pro-choice Republican, to withdraw from the NY-23 race in favor of the anti-choice Conservative candidate, Doug Hoffman.

            That is how the pro-lifers work. They weed all the moderates from the Party and make sure that only their radical right-wingnuts get elected.

            But I suspect you actually know that quite well.

          • My “beloved” Palin?? My goodness that’s reading a lot into my words that isn’t there. I simply believe she is a human being entitled to breath oxygen, to think for herself, and to participate in politics.

            Why should you plug your nose and find common ground with conservative women? Because until we do the two parties will hold women hostage over abortion rights and play us like fiddles. The ERA, the Freedom of Choice act will never pass because it benefits the power structure to keep us all dancing around in a panic over the loss of our rights. Rights that will be only be guaranteed when we reach the 30% solution and elect enough women in congress to make a difference.

        • Yttik – I am now responding to your commentary about the 30% solution and uniting with conservative women.

          The 30% Solution is not just a voting strategy. That is where people go off the track. It’s also about getting more women into the pipeline. Organizations like The White House Project and WomenCount are dedicated to just that type of activity. They are well worth a look.

          http://thewhitehouseproject.org

          http://womencount.org

          Once again, however, getting pro-life women into office will not help the cause of getting the ERA ratified. Thus, I will not do it. Let conservative women vote to destroy their own civil rights if they want to. I’m a single-issue voter now. You support the ERA? Great. You don’t? No money, no vote, no nothing.

          If that low, low bar is too high for conservative women, including your beloved Sarah Palin (yes, it’s obvious how you feel about her, yttik), then that’s their problem, not mine.

    • “When women finally plug our noses and agree to hold hands with each other the patriarchy will fall. Until that day it will be business as usual.”

      yttik…I hear what you’re saying, but I’m with the ladies on this one. I can’t support “any woman,” particularly one whose beliefs are so totally against my interests.

      “The Ledbetter act only passed congress because four female Republicans voted for it.

      I researched Ledbetter last year for a Capitol Hill class and the hoopla over it was, as Cinie would say, pure “astro-turfing.” It was the Paycheck Fairness Act, which died in committee, for which they should have been voting. Pelosi, Reid and the Changelng putting Ms. Ledbetter’s face and circumstance out there at the announcement of that bill’s passing was nothing more than a dog whistle to feminists everywhere: http://lets-be-clear.blogspot.com/search/label/Lilly%20Ledbetter

      And of course – the media went right along with the sham.

      • Oh, I agree Deb. And I was appalled that the “established” media both bought and sold the sham version!

        So how did I know that the Paycheck Fairness Act was missing? From the media? Nah! From blogs!

        As I keep saying: How are people who don’t blog, supposed to ever know the truth?

        • “How are people who don’t blog, supposed to ever know the truth?

          Shit Pips, though those of us who blog are way ahead of the “worshippers” thanks to some good ole common sense and researching, WE don’t even know the whole, damn truth! so tired of lies, damn lies and liars who tell them!!!

          • You’re right Deb! Unprecise choice of words on my behalf.

            And I don’t believe that any of us will ever know the whole truth either. The ongoing scrubbing – from minds as well as from files – will continue infinitely! :?

  21. cinie, it doesnt matter where people are born, just like obama wasnt born there either, the fact is, axelrod and plouffe are gonna always cover their asses and make it looke like oh wow, look what we did, thus the name of the dang book which probably wont sell that much, but it could be a number one who knows…facts about them are all over the net, they probably were both huge in Obama doing the big 2004 speech at the democratic convention, it all started in Chicago, and all they have done is bring chicago to dc. Hillary was born in Chicago for that matter. They are gonna rewrite history on everything they have done they already have.

    • You brought it up, Carol. But, since you did, from everything I’ve read, and just re-read, about Axelrove/Obama, it seems their “close relationship” might have been a little exaggerated. With Ax’s ties to Daley, the DCCC, and Emanuel, and Plouffe’s association with the DCCC and Emanuel, it’s plausible that Double David was aware of Obie without being more than cursorily involved with his career. They ran his 2004 senate campaign, but, they were whoring for a lot of Dems that year, including Edwards.

      In 2004, Axelrod worked for John Edwards’ presidential campaign. During the campaign, he lost responsibility for making ads, but continued as the campaign’s spokesman. Regarding Edwards’ failed 2004 presidential campaign, Axelrod has commented, “I have a whole lot of respect for John, but at some point the candidate has to close the deal and — I can’t tell you why — that never happened with John.”[10][11]

      In 2006, Axelrod consulted for several campaigns, including for the successful campaigns of Eliot Spitzer in New York’s gubernatorial election and for Deval Patrick in Massachusetts’s gubernatorial election. Axelrod also served in 2006 as the chief political adviser for Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee chair U.S. Representative Rahm Emanuel for the U.S. House of Representatives elections, in which the Democrats gained 31 seats.

  22. ”…we had done zero research on our own candidate beyond a small and incomplete package from the 2004 Senate race…! [Sheesh! :roll: ]

    This was the media’s unique chance to step in and do what used to be the job of journalists! Instead they turned into being apologists for the President of the US!

    Whatever happened to investigative journalism? Outside blogs that is!

    • Pips, it’s not the media at fault here this time. It’s Obama’s own handlers. They promoted a candidate they knew no more about than we do. Seems obvious that somebody paid them to skim the surface and make sure everybody else did the same. That must be why they try so hard to knock down any criticism; they have no idea where it might lead, or how far and high it might go.

      • But still Cinie, wouldn’t you expect journalists to be curious? Isn’t that part of what used to drive their profession?

        As you’ve mentioned before no one really knew or cared about Obama in the beginning, and I remember reading about how the reporters didn’t even much like him! They found him aloof and dismissive.

        Then suddenly, wham, it was nothing but adoration and cover-up 24/7! Because their bosses ordered it!

        I might be an incorrigible romantic, but I have a hard time accepting that everything can be bought, even all journalistic integrity!

        • You have a point, Pips, but, given Axie’s newspaper background, he knew how to maneuver around, neutralize, and use the media to his advantage. Protecting and promoting a shadowy candidate from his news media buddies was probably right up his alley. He knew what they would look for, and what to use as a chew toy to divert their attention.

        • “Used to” are the operative words, Pips. Journalism used to be about ferreting out the truth and serving the people. Now it’s entertainment served up by megacorporations with no interest in anything beyond their own bottom lines. You do get the occasional independent journo who goes after corruption without regard to party affiliation–I happen to know one–but they don’t work for the national press.

        • But Cinie and Okasha, what really puzzles and saddens me is, how come it affects even my media here in littl’ ol’ Denmark – and most of Europe too?

          Why do my media play apologists? Most recently the reporters weave about what a hard decision it is for Obama whether to send more troops to Afghanistan; and if so, how many; and oh, his advisers aren’t in agreement! Decisions, decisions, “why can’t he just eat his waffle!”

          Well, it is his effing job to make the decisions! And the media’s to hold him accountable!

          • So the next question to ask, Pips, is who owns the Danish and European media, and how does Obama’s Residency benefit them? Answer that question, and you’ll have your why.

          • Actually Okasha, I think “over here” it really is more like a combination of journalists not doing their job and a genuine, truly heartfelt elation over the US having elected its first black president! And how great is that!

            I only wish I could partake in the joy, and am convinced I would have … if only I hadn’t been so much better informed.

      • Hey Cin, thanks for the “weekend round-up,” I so hate watching the news these days!

        I agree with both you and Pips here though. The “fault” in bringing us the Changeling belongs, as you say, squarely with the handlers. But Pips has a great point – the media was derelict in their #1 duty under the Society of Professional Journalists Code of Ethis: “Seek truth and report it.” http://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp

        Investigative/Advocacy journalism was why I went back to school to get that paper – only to find the investigative journalism of Woodward & Bernstein’s Watergate days was dead, and the era of, “Don’t you want to be a big-time celebrity journalist and make a lot of money?” had taken its place. Disappointing and sobering to say the least.

        • I agree, Deb, but I still say, Axelrove knew how to play the media, and whoever was behind Obie knew enough to put him in charge, as well as how to lay the groundwork for him (Ax). I don’t believe for a minute Double David bought off MSNBO, et al. by themselves. They probably weren’t even fully aware of who the Unseen Hand moving the chess pieces belonged to.

          • “I don’t believe for a minute Double David bought off MSNBO, et al. by themselves.”

            Neither do I.

            (Hey Pips!! :-) )

          • Hi Deb! :)

            Thanks for the “SPJ Code of Ethics” link. I’m going to study that much closer – even if it sadly seems that no one actually acts by it!

            About “Uncle Jerry”, I still can’t believe, that everybody bought into his little “song and dance” that made it so conveniently apparent, that of course Obama had to disown him!

            I guess Jon Favreau wrote the lines for Wright’s performance!

          • “…even if it sadly seems that no one actually acts by it!”

            I took a leave of absence from grad school (I still have a year left before I have paper in hand)with no equivocation because what I thought I’d learn was way different than what they “acted by.” At a crossroads right now on going forward.

            “About “Uncle Jerry”, I still can’t believe, that everybody bought into his little “song and dance” that made it so conveniently apparent, that of course Obama had to disown him!”

            I don’t know if I believe Uncle Jerry was complicit in all this. Call me naive(or hopeful somebody really had the stones to call the Changeling out!) but I was happy for his “song and dance!” I DO, believe that Uncle Jerry benefitted in many ways by being involved (lots of national media play being one of them!). And Jon Favreau? He’s just a damn idiot!!!

          • Hey Deb, I only just saw your comment down here, and want to clarify. What I referred to, was the press conference – after the “dust-up over “Uncle Jerry””! Maybe “put-on” had been a more aptly frased term.

            I actually felt sorry for Wright that day, and didn’t get the feeling that neither his act nor his words were his own. I believe he was asked to do it and complied to help give Obama an excuse to disown him.

            Hope you go back to studying, though, as I’m certain you’ll know how to use your knowledge and skills in the way it was intended! :)

          • Pips..Sorry so late in replying.

            “What I referred to, was the press conference – after the “dust-up over “Uncle Jerry””! Maybe “put-on” had been a more aptly frased term…I believe he was asked to do it and complied to help give Obama an excuse to disown him.”

            I’m confused Pips. Do you mean the appearance at the Press Club? If that’s what you meant, I’m not sure if he was asked to do it to help the Changeling, but it’s quite possible in this twisted world of political gamesmanship. I hope that wasn’t the case. Silly me, I thought he was sincerely fed up with Obama’s bullshit.

            “Hope you go back to studying, though…”

            I will – someday.

  23. cinie, they are all from chicago, get a clue, one thing i promise you they wont discuss what happened May 31s 2008, they want everyone to forget that little episode

  24. Actually, Cinie, I don’t believe David Plouffe or David Axelrod. Hillary was never vetted for the VP position, which tells me that no one, especially not the Liar-In-Chief, ever seriously considered it. The real reason is supposed to be Michelle Obama, but that could just be a typical case of “oooh! oooh! blame the girl!”

    Although, considering the “vetting” Obama did with his Cabinet picks, maybe I should reconsider my skepticism.

    ;-)

    Meanwhile – the Femocratic Party works for me. Here are more: Ruth Bader Ginsburg in, Sandra Day O’Bush – out.

    • They didn’t even vet Obama, MB. Obviously, vetting was not a requirement for anything. He could have an animated skeleton from one of our high school science classes ready to leap out of his closet in a single bound any day now, and Double David wouldn’t have a clue of what to do when the resulting kick up the ass pulled their heads our of each other’s asses.

  25. and you believe any of these people?

  26. Wow! I like your Femocratic party ! Let’s see who else: Kim Gandy out, Terry O’neill in. Pelosi out, Hillary in.NARAL out (they just called me on behalf of Bloomberg!), NOW – in. You guys figure some more.

    • It would be cool if somebody took the Femocratic Party idea and ran with it, huh, Edge?

      • Heh! Having worked in an all female workplace, count me out! Loved them all to pieces, but still … !

        I prefer variety – including gender variation! ;)