Ever heard the expression, “stop the world I want to get off?” Suffice it to say that if the world were ever to stop for me, I wouldn’t be disembarking, I’d be tossing looney toon butt wiping twits left and right into the stratosphere with gleeful abandon. Maybe then, the rest of us could return to some degree of something that in some way at least resembles something approaching normalcy and reason.
Over at The Widdershins, in the comment section of the post, “Hillary Clinton: Ready To lead On Day One” which examined the differences and similarities between the media treatment of Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin, by “Be Mindful,” commenter “La-t-da” was moved to ask this question near the middle of the thread:
Where is all the Sarah rah rah fest coming from? Aren’t there some liberal women out there that we can be rah rahing about?
I responded that yes, there is an ostensibly liberal woman we could be rah rahing about: Sonia Sotomayor, which touched off a pretty spirited discussion. I pointed out that just the day before, the Associated Press had run an article, which was reprinted many places, including Salon, noting that women’s groups were, by and large, taking a “wait and see” approach to giving full support to the newest Supreme Court nominee. Yet, throughout the PUMAsphere, and elsewhere, support has been given much more freely to the soon-to-be-former governor of Alaska, sometimes becoming full-throated, energetic, and downright passionate. Christianity Today pointed out that when David Letterman made his insulting “slutty flight attendant with the daughter that should be knocked up during a baseball game” jokes, women’s groups rushed to her defense. The groups named in the article range from the conservative “anti-feminist” Concerned Women for America, to that bastion of feminism, the National Organization For Women, though they seem to be unaware of the vigorous campaign launched by PUMA Pac, participated in by women all over the PUMAsphere and GretaWire. Those combined efforts forced the unrepentant talk show host to issue a series of “apologies.”
Since Palin’s resignation as governor, it seems her support from women has only grown. Yet, when G. Gordon Liddy asserted that Sotomayor’s rulings might be negatively influenced by her period, or, when “journalists” speculated about her sexual orientation, the response was not quite as concerted or robust.
The obvious question is, what’s up with that?
The obvious answer is, Barack Obama picked Sotomayor, and Palin is perceived to be his nemesis, though in actuality, she’s his alter-ego.
(Uh-oh, here we go!)
First of all, I did blog about Michael Wolff’s unwarranted speculation about Stomayor’s sexuality, and I have also stated that her record on issues I care about has been reported to be thin. Given that, and the fact that I don’t trust Barack Obama as far as I can throw a Chevy Tahoe, I want to hear what she has to say herself in her upcoming confirmation hearings. Thus, the laid back approach taken by women’s groups regarding her is perfectly understandable and fine with me.
On the other hand, while I “get” that the tasteless, baseless misogynistic attacks on Palin, and all the vile, cruel attacks on her children are intolerable, I don’t “get” how that seems to translate into the sort of Palin 4 Ever PUMALove mania I’ve witnessed. I’ve also stated that I think she’s smart and competent, and kicked Jo(k)e Biden’s righteous ass in their debate. However, I’m on record, too, as saying I’d never vote for her. She’s stated emphatically that abortion should not be federal law, but the province of the states, which would require a repeal of Roe v. Wade…
I think it should be a states’ issue not a federal government-mandated, mandating yes or no on such an important issue. I’m, in that sense, a federalist, where I believe that states should have more say in the laws of their lands and individual areas. Now, foundationally, also, though, it’s no secret that I’m pro-life that I believe in a culture of life is very important for this country. Personally that’s what I would like to see, um, further embraced by America.
…and, though some have credited her with not imposing her views as governor, one of her staunchest defenders put the lie to that just today:
Anybody who had the opportunity to score political points against Palin took a shot. The Alaska judicial council, a body that recommends jurists to the governor, forced the pro-life Palin to appoint a pro-choice judge to the state supreme court. (emphasis mine)
Additionally, she believes people should be able to walk around packing heat. Since way too many people get shot where I come from, (Chicago) and everywhere I’ve lived (L.A., San Francisco, New York, Vegas, etc., none of your business) I think that’s stupid. I’d also like to see the government take over healthcare and remove the insurance companies from the mix altogether, even though I know that’s probably never gonna happen. But, I’m certainly not gonna vote for anybody who runs from that idea like somebody put boogers in her hair and set it on fire.
So my question isn’t really “why not Sotomayor?” but “why Palin?” They’re both smart, accomplished women, (though Sotomayor has more experience in her field) who have been attacked for just being women ever since they stepped into the spotlight. Why the “rally ’round Sarah,” when she, by her own choice, for her own reasons, isn’t running for anything? After all, women’s organizations demanded Sotomayor, or another female, be nominated to the Court, while John McCain’s choice of Palin as his running mate was arguably as much a surprise as her sudden resignation.
The only common thread is Obama. Hating Obama causes us to be unduly suspicious of Sotomayor, and overly supportive of Palin. Sarah represents
the “anti-Obama” agenda, while the fear is Sotomayor is his stealth agent. Yet, once confirmed, is a Supreme Court justice really beholden to the pretendident who nominated her?
Also, on closer inspection, it seems Sotomayor, though difficult to pigeonhole, just might represent the liberal values the Celebritician ran on, while Palin is more closely aligned with the conservative-lite way he governs. When you look at what he has, and has not, done since elected, his agenda seems a lot like Palin’s, especially on social issues. In fact, instead of the dreadful Ms. Magazine cover, “This is What a Feminist Looks Like,” maybe it should have read, “This is What an Anti-feminist Looks Like.”
There is no doubt that anti-feminist, anti-abortion, conservative organizations think Sarah Palin has their back, and will soon be pushing their shared agenda from up front, where it counts, especially in regards to the upcoming 2012 presidential elections:
One element of the conservative movement is much more excited. Anti-abortion activists, who embraced Palin after the birth of Trig and after the unmarried pregnancy of Palin’s daughter Bristol, are ecstatic about the possibility that Palin, freed from the duties and turmoils of office, could become a historic leader and spokeswoman for their cause.
“Sarah Palin is the ultimate speaker on pro-life issues,” said Jane Abraham, a former chairwoman of the Michigan Republican Party who co-founded Team Sarah, a project of the anti-abortion Susan B. Anthony List that supports anti-abortion female candidates. “We surpassed 70,000 members over the weekend, after her speech. People respond to her. She’s absolutely the most effective advocate the pro-life movement could have.”
Contrary to the image that the term “anti-feminist” might conjure up in some minds, the truth is, in just about all ways, “anti-feminists” look, sound, and act just like regular feminists – to a point. Just like Satanists often hold services much like Christian ones, and, the Anti-Christ would probably come across as very Christ-like until the message he was preaching turned from comforting and inspiring to creepy and weird, so too do anti-feminists appear to be regular-old, garden variety feminists. And they are, until the message they’re preaching gets creepy and weird. This, of course, is deliberate, and possibly, even unavoidable. Frankly, sometimes it’s almost impossible to tell the difference.
The Susan B. Anthony List makes no bones about their agenda, according to Source Watch:
The Susan B. Anthony List (SBA List) is a U.S.-based 501(c)(4) nonprofit organization with a “connected political action committee SBA List Candidate Fund.” SBA List states that its “ultimate goal is to end abortion in this country.” [1]
On its website it states that central to achieving its goal “is getting more women active in the political and legislative arena. We need both women candidates, as well as grassroots activists speaking out against abortion.”
Concerned Women for America, Independent Women’s Forum, even Ladies Against Feminism, and other groups, male and female, seem perfectly reasonable, especially the sneaky ones who deliberately try to lure you in before they get creepy and weird, like Feminists For Life. And, lest anyone think this is a new or national phenomenon, this book examines anti-feminism in Victorian and Edwardian England, and there’s Australia’s Endeavor Forum, and, R.E.A.L. Women of Canada.
So, what do these folks believe? Well, FFO wants to reduce the number of abortions, (on their way to abolishing the right to have them altogether)…
If we are serious as a nation about significantly reducing the number of abortions, then established, credible pregnancy resource centers should be eligible for federal funding. Nearly 4,000 pregnancy care centers and maternity homes guide women in crisis through the maze of available support services – food, clothing, housing, furniture, medical care including high risk pregnancies, legal assistance, help with employment and education, drug abuse and domestic violence counseling, childbirth, breast-feeding and parenting classes – all at no charge. Some specialize in bilingual/bicultural services, adoption and/or post-abortion counseling. These centers are where many pro-lifers “walk their talk” to help women in need. They leverage financial and in-kind resources from individuals, businesses, churches and communities across the country, yet they cannot consistently meet the demand for services.
…and, so does Obama:
He urged supporters and opponents of abortion rights to “work together to reduce the number of women seeking abortions by reducing unintended pregnancies, and making adoption more available, and providing care and support for women who do carry their child to term.”
…even though he says they should be safe and legal, as well as rare. However, ensuring that they remain legal, by passing the Freedom of Choice Act, is no longer the legislative priority it was when he was on the campaign trail. Anti-feminists also believe in the traditional family, and that fathers should be involved in every step of every pregnancy, blaming society’s ills on the lack of said participation, and by extension, women. So does Obama. Nor do Obama, or the anti-feminists support marriage equality for gays and Lesbians. The only semi-”progressive” thing he’s done is continue the Bush initiated policy of spreading the wealth from the citizens to the banksters who elected him.
Yet, so-called “progressives” used every dirty trick in the book, and invented a few new ones, to get him into office. According to the Washington Times, a similar movement is afoot on behalf of Palin. This time, though, instead of “progressives” c0opting the Democratic party and installing an Obacracy, “conservatives” are set to go outside the Republican box to institute Palinism:
Brushing aside the criticisms of pundits and politicos, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin said she plans to jump immediately back into the national political fray — stumping for conservative issues and even Democrats — after she prematurely vacates her elected post at month’s end.
The former Republican vice-presidential nominee and heroine to much of the GOP’s base said in an interview she views the electorate as embattled and fatigued by nonstop partisanship, and she is eager to campaign for Republicans, independents and even Democrats who share her values on limited government, strong defense and “energy independence.”
Oh, yippee-ky-yi-motherfucking-A. Like Obama had his former Republican progressive Cheetohead HuffPuffians to advance his Illinois Combine-inspired cause, Palin has her staunchly Democratic, conservative antifeminist Tammy Brucian advocates solidly in her corner. Why, Bruce has even been endorsed by the Palin Twitter campaign, which is, of course, the natural next step in the new generation-American Idol-politics-by-Facebook progression. From Bruce’s web page:
**UPDATE: It’s an honor to note that Governor Palin has linked to this post at both her official Facebook page and at the SarahPAC site.**
In an interview with the Washington Times, Palin makes her most direct comments yet about Conservativism versus the Republican Party. In my humble opinion, it’s clear the GOP, unfortunately, is lost beyond the point of return. When you’re one year out of key campaigns to take back Congress in 2010 and Meghan McCain is The Oracle of the party, you know it’s over. If Tina Brown thought Ms. McCain’s willingness to be a Useful Idiot for liberals would undermine the conservative movement (and consequently Sarah Palin), she should take a serious and long look at what their attacks on Palin provoked: a stronger, more independent, more determined conservative leader and base.
Oh, goody, goody, joy, freakin’ joy. I can just see it now. Picture it, 2012, the campaign trail: rambling, incoherent Teflon TelePrompTer Reader, “Ken” Obama, versus his rambling, incoherent, I Quit My Job To Serve, “Barbie” Palin alter-ego, Tweeting away on Facebook in scripted “debates” from the same side. Partisan voters, with, and without, grudges against either, or both, of the Bobbsey Twins, will cast their ballots out of manipulated habit, oblivious to the fact that their preferred candidates might as well run on the same ticket. In fact, the only reason they won’t, is because that would leave their nominal, ineffective, neutered-into-impotency, respective “parties” with nothing to fight about, and, the Mainscream Media and Blogviatosphere with nothing to pretend to report.
It will be interesting to see which Touched By An Angel candidate ends up sitting at the right hand of their lovingly embraced Father, politically speaking, however. While we know the ObaMessiah has secured his place in the line of succession to the Big Kahuna-In-The-Sky, American Thinker informs us that Sarah Magdalene just might be in position to give him some “Yeah, but I know His secret name,” Isis-to-Ra-like competition:
Sarah Palin loves God. God loves Sarah Palin.
And that is why they hate her…and Him.
And why she — and He — will be back.
That love, an essential part of her everyday life, holds out the hope of a return to the nation envisioned by the unapologetically spiritual generation that birthed the U.S.
I bet y’all thought I was kidding. Tee hee. Don’t you know by now, Cinie don’t play dat? Seems to me, when it comes to women’s reproductive rights, Civil Rights, and marriage equity, to name three, with Sonia Sotomayor, you can’t be sure yet what we’re getting in terms of support. But, between Barack Obama and Sarah Palin? Either way, we’re screwed.
Aaaaaaaaannnnnd, theeeee wheels on the train a’comin’ go ’round and ’round. People get ready.

I think you have had more of an impact on this topic, than you realize, Cinie. You stick to your principles, and lay out the facts as you see them. Your visitors know this, and respect you for it. There are a lot of lurkers on the fence about Palin, they are quietly searching for information from both sides. Don’t loose heart, Cinie, your work is brilliant.
gxm17, I honestly don’t understand your position. I didn’t like it when that kind of logic made black people, and those desperate to appear unprejudiced, vote for Obama’s brown skin and ignore his lack of record, and I don’t like the push to vote for Palin’s vagina. I’ve been researching her and, even if I was inclined to consider such a thing, from what I can see, there’s just no there there. And, what is there is on the other side of my street. I’m sorry, I just cannot go there.
Cinie, unlike obots, I don’t pretend to vote for conservative women because I side with them on the issues. (And FWIW, McPalin is the only “conservative” ticket I’ve ever voted for.) I’m not going to try to make Palin into something she’s not. I’m voting to equalize the gender balance in positions of power. It’s my small effort to change the power structure. Having a woman president won’t change much if we don’t have more women in Congress and in the Senate and in political office at the state level. We’re way behind, we need to catch up as quickly as possible and as far as I can tell this is the only option I’ve got. If serious liberal candidates appear on the horizon then they will most likely get my vote, but I don’t see that happening any time soon. (And I don’t see a woman president happening anytime soon either. Hey, I’m a realist.)
Personally, I’d like to see diversity in power beyond gender. I’d like to see more people of color, LGBT, heck even an atheist or two, in positions of power and a lot less straight (and/or closeted) Christian white guys; and I believe that my viewpoint doesn’t necessarily reflect a bias but just a desire to move on. Enough already. If the human race is going to advance we need to move outside the narrow power perspective we are currently confined to. And if we manage that, then IMO some little part of the liberal agenda will be realized. I’m willing to take my table scraps and be (somewhat) happy with them. As Sartre said of the Nazi occupation of France, “We were never so free.” Perhaps I paraphrase (I’m too lazy to look it up), but right now I’m feeling really free.
Just stating my own opinion here, and from now on, gmx17. I’m not likely to change anybody’s mind, and frankly, it’s far too frustrating, and way too much work, to continue to try. Each to her own.
I can’t stand Obama but I’m a Gynocrat and I was thrilled he nominated Sotomayor, even if she is a Catholic. (We do not need or deserve 6 Catholics on the Supreme Court. We need and deserve 6 women on that bench!)
Palin only points out sexism when it is against her. She called hillary a whiner for doing the same thing she is doing.
The photoshop of trig was not against him but against eddie burke. Eddie burke is a racist,sexist(except against palin,who all women are jealous of),anti-gay. Burke while on the radio with palin was making fun of a palin rival who was a women who survived cancer. Burke called her a cancer and the b-word while palin giggled in the background.
Hillary has never been quiet about sexism unless it is against her. Hillary has alway defened other women here and around the world when not treated equally. When it is directed at her she will make a joke out of it or say ignore it,it’s okay. That is one thing I don’t like about her when it is against her she will take it,but others she will fight for. I don’t know why she does take it, maybe she thinks she deserves it or no one will back her up and she is alone. No women organization defended her in the primaries or they did not know how to defend her. But now they got their act together and will defend palin. Hillary laid the groundwork and now everyone is taking advantage of it and using it against her and calling her a whiner.
When rush,palin’s best friend,who called a 13 year old ugly,dog, and bill was not her father,her mom is a lesbian apologizes or she asks an apology of him, I will defend her but until then no. How did that affect chelsea’self esteem at that awarkad age.
“She called hillary a whiner”
Actually, what she said – on March 3. 2008, 6 months before she was nominated – was:
“– I say this with all due respect to Hillary Clinton and to her experience and to her passion for changing the status quo also, but when I hear a statement like that, coming from a woman candidate with any kind of perceived whine about that excess criticism or – you know maybe a sharper microscope put on her – I think, damn, that … that doesn’t do us any good, women in politics, women in general, wanting to progress this country.”
Whatever one feels about Sarah Palin, I don’t think she deserves to be misquoted. And the misquote being repeated doesn’t make it more true. Just saying.
[www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9Y8FKAsxmk&feature=channel]
Ooops! Shouldn’t have left an italicized word “inside” an italicized quote. Learn something new every day, yay!
Let’s change one word and imagine Hillary said this about Sarah:
Still sucks, huh?
Sotomayor seems more than qualified, the more I hear her testimony. The President gets to pick his nominees, unless the nominee isn’t competent, the nominee should get confirmed. Sotomayor isn’t incompetent, she certainly isn’t a Harriet Myers type. My husband and I were listening to the criticism on Fox News, and I have to say it does them no good, it all sounds contrived and exaggerated. Full disclosure my husband is of Spanish descent, born in Madrid, Spain, an American born abroad. So we don’t have any phobias toward Hispanics. We are also both Independents.
Why would the Republicans want to appear as though they are bullying a qualified nominee? That doesn’t make any good political sense.
They wanna energize their base against pro-choice, land-grabbing, Affirmative Action, gun-regulating, activist, liberal (socialist) judges with empathy, and their Godless party.
Cinie, I can’t imagine Hillary Clinton expressing herself like that, but I actually don’t object to Sarah Palin saying what she did, speaking about women in politics. Remember this was at a “Forum on Women in Leadership” 6 months prior to Palin even entering the campaign.
What I object to is misquoting. Misquoting Clinton, sucks. Misquoting Palin, sucks. It sucks, sucks, sucks misquoting any woman. It sucks to misquote, period!
And having to go back 16 months to find something (perceived) negative, that Palin said about Clinton sort of sucks too. IMHO.
So I just wanted to set the record straight. I’m a sucker for fairness.
(And if I didn’t happen to think the new smilies suck too, I would have send you a smile here, lol!)
Cine, Rock / hard place = screwed any-which way, which is how TPTB want to keep it. I’m getting so cynical that I think I need a heart transplant.
Don’t you get disheartened, too, HT. If you do, who’s gonna pump me up? (she said, selfishly)
It is getting more, and more difficult to read between the lines, they are really throwing a lot of rhetoric out there, on both sides, which ends up in polarization. That results in everyone being divided up, just the way they like us.
I think there is worse than Sotomayer waiting for us in the wings, and when it comes to Supreme Court nominees, I heard a snarky comment that Sotomayer is Obama’s Harriet Myers type nominee. I think Sotomayer is a much better nominee than Myers.
Thanks for the h/t btw, Cinie. (I think I am grateful for it in the current environment of the discussions lately. LOL) I know what I am appreciative of is that you followed up on the discussion that was occurring on TW that day. My passion took over in regard to trying to figure out why we are not defending liberal women. You followed with some analysis.
Hi Cinie
I know it’s been hard for you to understand the amount of support that Sarah Palin has been getting from women in the PUMA world. Let me give it a shot. I was a big supporter of Hillary and campaigned for her locally with all my heart in the primary. I was completely shocked by the amount of sexist insults against her, how her own Democratic Party allowed it and then cheated her out of the nomination she had rightfully earned, how women’s organizations she had supported all her life failed to defend her. I felt betrayed and very angry. Then Sarah Palin came along. And before we knew anyhing about her, the same machinery that was used against Hillary was turned against Sarah. It was deja vu all over again! So all that pent up anger turned to protecting Sarah from all the insults, which went so far as to include her family. It was overwhelming. We just could not stand idly by and have this happen one more time. To this day I don’t know who Sarah Palin really is or what her real ideas are, but I take up every chance that I have to defend her right to seek high office. It doesn’t mean that I would vote for her, but I will not stand idly by and watch this sexist charade one more time. She should have he right to run and not be hounded out of the race by these misogynist dogs!
I’m not the least confused about that, Masha. What I don’t get is the sheer volume of exhortations for her to run for president, and declarations of support for her quest for higher office. I would assume that a great number of Hillary supporters would be liberal Democrats, so the number of those supporters who now choose to support a woman so conservative she excites the Republican base that felt that McCain was too moderate, seems excessive.
Well Cinie, it is kind of baffling. I’m even surprised myself at my support for Sarah’s right to run when I probably don’t agree with her on the issues. I guess that if there were other exciting women candidates, women would be able to choose. But there are none, liberal or not, and Sarah’s become sort of a cause celebre. She seems to be the only one out there. Hillary is doing her job at the SD (very well I would say) but she’s currently out of the political frey. The “fake liberal” MSM that is running down Sarah is the same one that turned in full force against Hillary. They are not liberals, they are misogynists. I hope Sarah runs and makes them all look like the fools they are.
Now, as real liberals, let’s all rally around Sonia Sotomayor and make sure she’s not subjected to the same torment that Hillary and Sarah were!
Where are the liberal Democrats for us to vote for? They don’t exist. Liberal Democrat has become an oxymoron. If all the choices are for candidates right of center, I’ll go with the candidate who is a woman.
I can’t go there with you, gxm17, for the same reason I wouldn’t vote for J.C. Watts or Alan Keyes over a white candidate. If both suck, I’d just as soon stay home. There’s no “better” when confronted with a Catch-22 choice.
I understand your point and you make it well, but for me, as a liberal and a feminist, I feel that the best I can do in the current political climate is support women candidates regardless of affiliation. If liberalism and liberal candidates return to the political arena then my position may change. Right now the only avenue available to me is voting as a Gynocrat and, honestly, my vote for McPalin was one of the most satisfying votes I’ve made in years. (Voting for John Kerry, Tim Kaine and Jim Webb was a tedious and unenjoyable process. And I’m still angry at myself for supporting Kaine.)
Sarah Palin excites me. Cynthia McKinney excites me. The two women couldn’t be more different but I admire and respect them both. When I support women candidates I feel I’m accomplishing something. Maybe I’m not but we won’t know until women are fully represented in political office… and we have a long way to go.
Cinie,
I love, People Get Ready…Look Sotomayer called her self the poster child for affirmative action. I heard George Lopez making jokes on Fox & Friends, that Obama had already picked A black AG Holder, and Napolitano for Homeland Security, he said now Sotomayer for Supreme Court. The punchline: folks they can’t all be the best qualified. That said if Sotomayer is mediocre. There is worse out there, that can be lined up to replace her. Sotomayer is being chosen to replace another Liberal Judge. That’s a wash folks. I did hear she votes with Republicans on decisions 95% of the time…so what’s up with that?
I also heard that Obama wants his mirror image on the Supreme Court figure out Sotomayer you will figure out THE ONE.
I did hear she votes with Republicans on decisions 95% of the time…
Laree, where did you “hear” that? Is there a link?
As far as Napolitano, she was highly qualified if you review her record on immigration and our borders in AZ. Who better qualified than a governor of a border state? Experience does provide great qualifications. Something that Obama was and is lacking.
I don’t think Napolitano is highly qualified, her own border state while she was a Governor was an open sieve. Drug Cartels coming freely across the Arizona Border, have you seen photos of the Arizona Border?
http://www.desertinvasion.us/invasion_pictures/invasion_tohono.html
Phoenix has become the kidnap capital of the U.S. Napolitano a Terrorist is now to be called a “Man Made Disaster” Tell that to everyone who lost someone on 9/11. No I don’t think Napolitano is much more than a politician who had a record of paying her taxes.
The Minutemen are listed on the links of the Desert Invasion site. Want to share your thoughts on them?
And FAIR is given a big nod as “good research and reports” in their links. The name of the site “Desert Invasion” pretty much says it all. Makes sense to me why Napolitano didn’t waste much time having anti-immigration groups that sit down on the border making sure those darn immigrants don’t invade us included in the HLS watch list.
“Child Killer Represented National Anti-Immigrant Group
For nearly a decade we Americans have allowed the anti-immigrant movement to live in their own fantasy world and we allowed it to happen. We turned a blind eye when they played G.I. Joe in the dessert.”
http://imagine2050.newcomm.org/2009/06/15/child-killer-represented-national-anti-immigrant-group/
According to the White House, “In cases where Sotomayor and at least one judge appointed by a Republican president were on the three-judge panel, Sotomayor and the Republican appointee(s) agreed on the outcome 95 percent of the time.”
http://www.iowastatedaily.com/articles/2009/06/01/opinion/doc4a246e4e424a6286234722.txt
Well Cinie, I gotta agree with you on this post 100%, good presentation.
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When did Palin decry sexism apart from when it affected her or her family? I missed that. I mostly get from her that’s it’s useless to complain about such things. No whining!
If Palin meets some definition of feminism, then I don’t see how Sotomayor doesn’t. Palin’s known positions certainly can’t be any more feminist than Sotomayor’s unknown ones. They both live feminist-style lives imo. It really bothers me that Sotomayor is more tainted by association with Obama than Palin is by association with fundagelical right-to-lifers. That is some effed up feminism!
Joan, Obama IS a right-wing fundiegelical in my book. And Sotomayor has never ruled on reproductive rights, so we have no record of what she’d do if faced with decisions in that area.
Because of those facts, a little “wait-and-see” is quite warranted in her case, IMHO. If she is confirmed, I hope she will be as staunch an advocate for women as Ruth Bader Ginsburg has been.
She spoke up about sexism many times in the generic sense affecting all women. One example is her speech about sexism modeled on Clinton’s Beijing speech about equal pay, work-family balance, political representation, trafficking of women abroad, Title IX and other women’s issues. Recently, she spoke up against Letterman and DNC blogger because they attacked her children. Two times she said Clinton was whining. I agree one must be very careful about pro-lifers and Republicans and I will probably never vote for them.
Anthony, I quoted from his defense site who’re gonna put the best spin possible on the facts. But, he confessed, he was convicted by a jury at trial who bought the prosecution’s theory of the crime despite DNA evidence. So, just re-submitting that same evidence to the court was unlikely to change anything. Until the semen was matched to a known offender, there’s no way any judge would have overturned that case from what I can see.
I promise this will be my last post on this:lol:
I didn’t say she should’ve overturned the case. I DID say she could’ve admitted the evidence.
In the end, Deskovic was found innocent and released from prison after 16 years. With absolutely no recompense for this miscarriage of justice. That has to raise an eyebrow as to why she ruled so callously using only the filing date as a reason to exclude the DNA. (Hint: Pirro was running for DA, and the Prosecutor and Chief of Police were also up for re-election). She caved under that pressure.
Absolutely not relevant, imo, Anthony. He was found not guilty on the basis of new evidence, i.e., the DNA match to another offender. Until then, the facts presented and prevailing at trial would stand. Sotomayor couldn’t have admitted evidence she didn’t have. The DNA match came in 2006, right, about 6 years after his case came before Sotomayor? She would have had the facts at trial and the outcome of that to consider, not new DNA evidence.
Cinie, I love you dearly and truly appreciate your posts. But I have to say that I think you have your head in the sand about this.
He was guilty only because of a coerced confession. He was found innocent when a different judge reviewed the evidence. Period. Its all there in black and white
There is absolutely no way her actions can be excused. Your information is not correct, but there is no more I can do to point you in the right direction. A done deal is a done deal, and I’d rather part friends regarding this issue.
Better to agree to disagree and call it a day.
http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/44.php
From The Daily Beast yesterday:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/sotomayor-practicing-for-senate-battle/supreme-court/?cid=cs:headline4
I am Jeff Deskovic. I seved 16 years in prison in NY for a murder and rape which I was proven innocent of. At 17, I was convicted despite a negative DNA test showing that semen found in the victim didn’t match me, based upon a coerced, false confession, the fabrication of other evidence, prosecutorial misconduct, and fraud by the medical examiner. Prior to be cleared by further DNA testing which identified the real perpetrator, all of my appeals were denied, including two by Sotomayor. I filed a habeas corpus petition in the court below hers, arguing my innocence based on the DNA, and that the police violated my rights by the way that they questioned me. Due to the court clerk giving my attorney inaccurate information regarding the filing procedure, my petition arrived 4 days too late. Westchester DA Jeanine Pirro’s office argued that the court should simply rule that I was too late without looking at my issues, and the court did just that. I appealed that ruling to Judge Sotomayor’s court, arguing three reasons why she should overturn the procedural ruling: that to uphold it would be to cause a miscarriage of justice to continue, that reversing the ruling would open the door to more sophisticated DNA testing, and that the delay was caused by the court clerk. She upheld the ruling. When we moved to reargue the case in front of her, this too was denied. Given that the US Supreme Court only agrees to hear a small number of cases, for all intents and purposes, that was my last appeal. Her ruling condemned me to serve a life sentence for a crime that I was innocent and that I was arguing I was innocent of, with very strong evidence to back it up. Luckily for me, I only wound up serving 6 more years before I was cleared. But those 6 years are directly attributable to Sotomayor. Other than the NY Times and a short AP video clip, the national media seems to be blacking this story out, and both the Democrat and Republican Judiciary committee’s left me off of the witness list despite my frequent contact with them. If anyone can help me get more media attention about my case and the role that Judge Sotomayor played in it, please do so.
Here is a short youtube video pertaining to the Judge and myself me the court: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2-NgsTLjfAHere is a Facebook group that I made entitled “Judge Sotomayor Put Procedure Over Innocence In Deskovic Wrongful Conviction” http://www.facebook.com/inbox/?ref=mb&__a=1#/group.php?gid=213251725203 . Here is my website url, which people can email me through: http://www.JeffreyDeskovicSpeaks.org
I support Sotomayor and not Obama and Palin. Palin spoke up against sexism a number of times since her nomination last August. She is a pro-life feminist but now that she’s resigned and spokesperson for the Republican Party, Obots may have silenced the biggest voice for feminism in the past year. She bypassed normal channels to speak up while Democratic women including Hillary were quiet. Sotomayor showed no signs of being a feminist except for belonging to the Belizean Club but she recently quit that to please the men. Her commitment to choice is inreliable as far we know.
Donna,
Can you please clarify who you are supporting and who not?
I’m having a hard time following your logic here. Maybe it’s just me??
I value your opinion.
TIA,
SYD
I’d “vote” for Sotomayor (if that was possible) but never Obama or Palin because Sotomayor is (supposedly) a liberal. The rush to get her to run for President scares me because I don’t want Republicans to win. We don’t know how politicians will behave. Palin is very authentic and means everything she says unlike Obama. But she is about to be coopted by her party and we just went through eight years of wingnut hell. It sucks the Obots made her resign.
Well, I DO want a liberal feminist woman on the Supreme Court. I make no bones about it. I see it as the only way of protecting the pitiful reproductive rights women still have in this country.
For example, the Bush “conscience rule” was just determined inapplicable to the Plan B anti-pregnancy pill by a federal court. The Supreme Court will no doubt be hearing the case soon.
Any man or woman I support for the SC would unhesitatingly rule the same way: that no pharmacist or doctor has the right to deny a woman healthcare. Their “consciences” do not overrule their professional responsibilities.
Would Sotomayor rule this way? Who knows? Our pro-life President hasn’t asked her, supposedly. I do not trust him on this issue, nor should anyone who has been paying a modicum of attention – especially considering OBushMa’s constant proclamations of support for “conscience rules” in general.
Personally, I will NOT be duped into cheerleading for anyone who is working against my interests. I leave that particular delusion to the Obots.
I agree (and wholeheartedly, passionately and dauntlessly) support a female judge to be appointed to the SCOTUS. We need more women to act as a foil against the testosterone laden atmosphere. But I do NOT support Sotomayor.
I’m talking, of course, about her ruling on denying Jeffrey Deskovic’s exonerating DNA evidence to be entered in his appeal.
I know how you (CInie) feel about this, as you’ve stated before that this is a non-starter for you, and that she was only following procedure. But imagine you were that innocent 16 year old who spend just as many years behind bars because Sotomayor had to pander to local law enforcement, elections in which overturning that conviction would look bad for the DA, the Prosecutor, et al.
I’m not going to continue to debate this, as I know your feelings and don’t wish to challenge them. But I would feel remiss if I didn’t mention it (once, and once only in this thread)
If interested, here’s a link to his site:
http://www.jeffreydeskovicspeaks.org/
Anthony, if I recall correctly, the DNA evidence did not sway the original case because the prosecution’s argument was that Deskovich attacked the victim in response to learning she had had consensual sex with someone else. Therefore, I can’t see how Sotomayor can be held responsible given the filing missteps, and the facts as they were presented at trial. Especially if the DNA evidence was presented and rejected as exculpatory by the jury. I’m also unclear as to whether he was exonerated because of the DNA evidence, or because somebody else confessed.
Cinie, no disrespect intended here, but your recollection is not correct.
The DNA evidence was not admitted by Sotomayor because the petition to admit it arrived at the date provided by the court clerk, which was 4 days late (the clerk told his lame-ass lawyer that it needed to be postmarked by a specific date. The fact was that it had to be received by that date, and that accounts for the lateness). I’m not a lawyer, I’m an artist, but I don’t know if it is routine to assume that the clerks don’t know what they’re talking about. I would assume they were giving correct information, but that’s why I make art and don’t practice law.
Sotomayor called it “Negligent” and further said ““We have considered all of petitioner-appellant’s remaining arguments and find them to be without merit,”
The DNA evidence never got to be presented to a jury. As a matter of fact, 16 year old Deskovic was told during his 7 1/2 hour interrogation that “if you confess, we’ll let you go home”, so I don’t know if there ever was a jury of peers after a forced confession.
The Senate Judiciary Committee told Deskovic that they will NOT allow him to testify at her hearings because “We’re doing everything we can to get her confirmed”.
The REAL perp was apprehended when his DNA found at yet another rape matched the DNA found on the vic that Deskovic was innocent of raping/killing, despite the evidence turning up long before that.
All the info is on his site, linked above
Anthony, just because the police lied to the defendant doesn’t mean there wasn’t a trial. Deskovic confessed, and was convicted at trial by a jury. He was released in 2006 when the DNA from the victim was matched to a convicted murderer.
http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/44.php
And none of that was true, as is evidenced in countless articles about the case.
I understand your support of Sotomayor, but I cannot for the life of me understand your willingness to minimize her poor judgement and action in this case. I can very agreeably disagree with you on this, which I do. But lets just look at the facts, the flaws, and her lack of consideration. Not the kind of woman I would want to represent my gender if I were a woman.
Deskovic’s case is a lot more pertinent than many want to admit. A legal technicality is no reason to put an innocent child behind bars for as many years as they’ve been alive.
cinie: I concur. There is an argument to be made where candidates stand on say strip mining as an example. But when they openly favor positions that do not guarantee equal rights then I have heard all I need to hear.
I wonder if she had not a pretty face would all this hoopla but as strong. Turning her into a “victim” is a pretty shrewd attempt to draw women who may identify with that label.
Suffice to say she was blistered in the press with personal attacks. But her positions are pretty clear and they do not favor women. Any attempts to question those positions are met with hostility in that it takes on the appearance from her supporters of an “attack”. The irony in this is that the same mindset was present when Obama’s positions were questioned yet the rules have been suspended in her case for whatever reason.
There is a doublestandard at work here and I am unable to figure it out.
Pat, it seems to me that the exact same blueprint used to elect the last two spokesmodel/pretendident/actors, Bush and Obama, is being used to promote Palin. The problem is, people who identify with those candidates, for whatever reason, refuse to see it when it applies to them. But, that’s just my opinion.
Personally, I think America deserves a lot better than to have a choice of two anti-feminist, anti-gay, corporatist politicians in 2012.
Which should we fling off first: the Obots or the wingnuts? I can’t decide which is worse. Who knows; maybe they’re mostly the same group of people anyway.
We could have a lottery MadamaB to see who gets to get tossed in what order. Who knows, maybe we could raise enough money to fund a real candidate or two.
Only if we’re lucky will we get to choose between Palin or Obama. Most likely it will be a “choice” between Bush or Obama.
Just for the record… I support Sotomayor, and have from the start.
I also support Palin, and have from the start.
My blogs clearly reflect that.
I support competent women for high positions in government and business. Until we the 51% representation we deserve, that is all I am supporting.
If Feminist groups are taking a “wait and see” attitude about Sotomayor they will have no one to blame but themselves if she does not garner the support necessary to be promoted. And why is that? Where are the Leftie Feminists we could once rely on?
I’ll tell you where… they are busy kissing Democratic ass of the other gender. No matter how misogynist and woman hating it might be. Because they want to be “sexy” and “desirable.” They want to be loved.
Makes me want to puke.
They can’t not confirm her, SYD. Unless Democrats vote against her, which seems to me would be suicidal, career-wise, she’s a shoo-in, and all this conversation is just media fodder.