Comments on: AstroTurfing AntiFeminism: The Myth Of Feminist Self-Destruction

By: jillforhill

jillforhill — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:17:09 +0000

Hillary and Bill
are the only president and first lady to go into the whitehouse not rich and leave in debt due to lawsuits and legal bills and most if not all were tossed out. Terry maculife had to put up the down payment for their house in new york,because all the money they had was in legal bills.

Bill and hillary’s parents were not rich or famous. No matter what fancy suit/fancy pant suit suit or expensive food they eat bill will always be a bubba and hillary a middle class girl from scranton. They earned to go to fancy schools,they were not given nothing nor were the legacies. That is why the elites in both parties hate them because to them they are trailor trash because of their background.

Sally quinn hates them and said they trashed the white house. Their really only so called elite friend in washington is vernon jordon. According to both parties elites the clintons didn’t throw enough parties or kiss their butt enough to be accepted.

Guess what I voted for both proudly. I could care less where you come from, I care about where you stand on the issues and your policies. I don’t like palin’s ideas or policies that is why I won’t vote for her.

Because I won’t vote for her or because I am not a repub does that make me not part of real America.

By: Cinie

Cinie — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:30:19 +0000

First of all, please don’t tell me how I feel or think. If my writing is unclear I’ll be happy to answer any questions you may have. Second, I don’t care where Sarah Palin went to school, who her parents are, or how much money she has. Lastly, the fact that she is but a politician with whom I do not agree on issues is the entire point, therefore there is no reason to support her.
If you have reason to believe there is no such thing as anti-feminism, or that they are not committed to the repeal of women’s reproductive rights, or, that Sarah Palin is not in agreement with them or their goals, or, that they have not tried to infiltrate and indoctrinate PUMA blogs, I’d be more than willing to listen.
Just because there’s misogyny on both sides of the aisle doesn’t mean there’s no difference between parties, or, that I can support either or both equally.
And, no one has called Palin the devil.

By: Constance

Constance — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:54:49 +0000

If you are all offended about how the Republicans tried to use the way Hillary was treated by Obama and his minions then do not forget the way the Obomacrats tried to substitute Mrs Obama as the victim of sexism du jour to replace Hillary. It was cynical and disgusting. Yes both the Republicans and Obama Democrats tried to manipulate women and especially PUMAs. When all they really need to do is to address issues we care about. I will never consider myself a Democrat again.

By: Constance

Constance — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:49:23 +0000

I think this sounds paranoid. Sarah Palin is simply a female politician you all do not agree with not the devil. That is OK. All women do not need to think alike. Much of the fear Sarah inspires is that she is not the same social class and did not go to the same indoctrinating institutions as most east coast politicians. Democrats are never going to give women clear and strong reproductive freedom, if they do they will lose their favorite fear issue they use to herd women into Democrat voting. Neither Democrats or Republicans care about women’s issues or women voters. Democrats have lost the ability to see what they have become which is openly misogynist, they are just so happy about what they aren’t, Republicans. Sorry but Sarah represents only a woman you don’t agree with.

By: Anita

Anita — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:38:52 +0000

Well, it would help if everyone would stop using the term God all the time, because that means that one has to be all male in order to rule the universe. Which means that if one is male, one automatically is able to rule the nation. And if one is female, well, not so much able to rule and lead…
People need to think instead of Divine Almighty who has equal feminine and masculine qualities. Which has to make sense, if we believe that Holy One created both male and female. That means both female and male rule the universe. Which means that if one is female, one automatically is able to rule the nation just as well as if one is male.
And this needs to happen soon!

Anita learntoreadnow

By: jillforhill

jillforhill — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:12:02 +0000

During the general election I went to freerepublic,becasue they had a thread about how hillary was treated. Most of the comments were she was treated bad and republicans have never treated her that bad. Then a couple of posters were saying to go to puma blogs or hillary sites and say that hillary was treated bad and to keep complaing about how obama treated her. Then they were talking about to say that hillary gave up and palin will not give up against obama. Palin will defend women’s rights she is a better rolemodel for women and girls. So they wanted to be nice to pumas to get them on palin’s side. It was around September 2008, I will not go back there after they called obama’s daughter ghetto trash for wearing a peace t-shirt. I will defend palin’s kids and obama’s kids it is not their fault of who their parents are.

By: gxm17

gxm17 — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:34:20 +0000

This is the gender war. And they are trying to throw us in shackles. And, most unfortunately, the Democrats are no longer on our side.

By: gxm17

gxm17 — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:16:02 +0000

I have not read through the comments yet but just want to say: Excellent post Cinie! Yours is the first reasonable, well stated argument against Palin that has been put forward. I don’t agree that she’s an anti-feminist but you certainly make the case that anti-feminism is working to appropriate and destroy the feminist movement.

I’m going to take Sarah Palin at her word, that she’s a feminist. And, as a Gynocrat, she will get my vote if she runs for national office. The sad fact is that, as a liberal, I’m not going to get any chances to vote for a liberal candidate. So voting for Palin over Obama, if given that choice, is a no-brainer for me.

By: StacyinBoston

StacyinBoston — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 01:00:06 +0000

I would argue that much [but not all] of the “anti-feminist” movement, particularly groups like the IWF and CWFA, are hardly secular and march lock-step with the religious right- Sarah Palin in my mind, could be the poster-woman for either group- just a more modern version.

For those of us who consider ourselves feminists (I always have and I always will, just out of principle due to the hard work and sacrifice of the women who came before me ), anti-feminism is so invidious because as Cinie points out, it wears the mask of women’s liberation when attacking principles generally associated with women’s rights, particularly when espoused by younger women (as opposed to Shlaffly).

This is the problem I had from day #1 of Palin’s candidacy- reasonable people can disagree about abortion, gay rights, taxation and war, but to me, the key factor in feminism is choice- and to me, the anti-feminist wears the mantle of choice by saying “we can choose to be pro-life” (who said they couldn’t?) while simultaneously taking away my right to choose if I need/want one and/or my right to choose which gender my significant other could/should be and to have that choice legally recognized.

The status quo has long sought to maintain their system – it’s the very definition of status quo. But who better than to deliver the message of anti-feminism than a woman or a group of women like Concerned Women for America? It’s as though so long as it is a woman helping to uphold a patriarchal system in the name of “personal freedom”, instantly it must be OK! And to claim otherwise is “politically correct” or narrow-minded.

Great post Cinie- it’s an important issue and the links and background info. you provide is helpful.

By: madamab

madamab — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:39:17 +0000

Cinie,

I gave you linky love at TW. I think you will like my latest post.

MB HAKA